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We'd like you two [Mr. Hayes and Mr. Suda] to have a talk from now, letting the audience listen to the dialog of yours, through the interpreter. Meeting each other after a long time, both of you must have a lot of things to ask or tell each other, and I hope everyone coming here today will share the experience you've had as activists and take it back home. So, now, Mr. Suda, could you start first, with a question or a comment?


Both of us were born in the same year, 1942. (Mr. Hayes corrected him that he was born in 1944.) Oh, you're two years younger than me. I'm two years older. Well, in some ways, American citizens and Japanese citizens, we Japanese often learn from Americans, have been sharing contemporary experience.
Ralph Nader, "the master" of our citizens movements, in a way. He run for president twice before, but I didn't understand why he did it. That caused Bush's win as a result, people said, and I'd like to ask you what you were thinking about it.


I have tried very hard to persuade Ralph Nader, not to run for president, because he could only take polls away from John Kerry. He had no good explanation for why he was running. He kept on saying that he thought he could win. But… and even when just two people talking, he said the same thing. He could not believe them. And I don’t understand it. He was, I think, exercising egotism.


The harder question is “why did Bush win?” It’s important to recognize environmentally how big the difference was between Bush and Kerry. Bush is the worst environmental president in the American history. And Kerry is the best environmentalist who has ever been in the United States. The difference is absolutely enormous. And the election was very close. If 50 thousand people out of a nation of almost 300 million people had voted for Kerry, he would now be president. Just 50 thousand more. But the environment wasn’t the issue in the election. Bush ran the very good campaign keeping the attention on terrorism and keeping the attention on the state of the economy. And, well, I believe Kerry would have made an excellent president. He was not as good as a campaigner for president as Bush was. Many silly little things, Kerry very much like me, seldom smiles. It is very difficult to believe that the future of mankind depends upon how much somebody smiles. However we lost the election and we need to win it next time.





We now have many different seals for a different price.
We have a certify, for example, sustainably harvested lumber and wood products.
And sustainably harvested organic agriculture and crops and clothing.
And sustainable fishery products, and it’s the same for fishings.
And some of these are doing very very well.


However the products that the individuals buy did do the greatest harm in America, their houses, and their automobiles, even though people have great information about the environmental impacts, many are still choosing voluntarily to make very bad choices…


So I think we need you have a combination of seals that give information to people, and government regulation that stops you for making very bad price, such as high fuel-efficiency standards for all automobiles.

Are their environmental labels and seals common in Japan?



Green Seal’s standards were so very high that too few products could qualify for them, and as a consequence it lost momentum, because people, only if the product was cheap and efficacious, there were enough, tens of millions of people were willing to buy it. So, but one exception where we have been very successful for this is organic and sustainably-harvested food. When people are going to put something in their bodies or in their children’s bodies, they are prepared to pay a little bit more to know that they are not harming anything. Though the driver there may be more personal health than the environment, still it has an environmental benefit.



Several answers. First, the Bush administration and the Republican Congress will not ratify Kyoto. So for national ratification, we must wait until another election. However there has been much action at the state level and at the local level in the United States. For example, although the Federal Government will not have strong carbon dioxide emission standards for automobiles, ten states have passed very strong emission standards for automobiles, very high fuel-efficiency standards. And they include huge states like California, New York, Massachusetts, my state Washington, and if you add all of these states together, they would be the equivalent of the third largest emitter of greenhouse gases in the world. And my city, for example, Seattle has ratified the Kyoto protocols as a city. And we have set up a citizens' task force to make sure that it gets implemented. It is co-chaired by the CEO of Starbucks Coffee Company and by me. And we are now reaching out to get two hundred other American cities to ratify Kyoto, and to pledge to lower their greenhouse gases. Regardless of what the Federal Government does, the cities can operate on their own. As Suda-san said, the cities are more democratic and they are more environmental, and that's where most of the emissions take place, and so we think we can make great progress. And interestingly, we have big support on the farmsteads as well, because they want to have wind power and bio-fuels on their farmlands.


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